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		<title>Comment on On the annihilation of the ego by Erwin</title>
		<link>http://www.erwinhessle.com/blog/?p=84&#038;cpage=1#comment-4244</link>
		<dc:creator>Erwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 19:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Crowley&#039;s understanding of the 9=2 was drawn from his study of the life and works of Simon Magus&lt;/i&gt;

Your propensity for making up random shit and attempting to pass it off as fact is astounding. Where is this &quot;study of the life and works of Simon Magus&quot; of Crowley&#039;s that you refer to? What is your source for this outlandish assertion? Where did Crowley discuss this study, and his conclusions from it? 

You are just unbelievably full of shit. As usual.

&lt;i&gt;the (prototypical Magus) and adapted to his own purposes and &#039;word&#039;.&lt;/i&gt;

The &quot;prototypical Magus&quot;? So &quot;prototypical&quot; that he never once appears in any of the lists of historic Magi that Crowley gave? That kind of &quot;prototypical&quot;, you mean?

&lt;i&gt;The 9=2 and 10=1 grades themselves were extant in the German Rosicrucian organization founded in the 1750s by Hermann Fichtuld, from where the Golden Dawn ultimately derived their grade structure.&lt;/i&gt;

Wrong again, Chuckles. Magus was and still is the highest grade in the SRIA which is where the Golden Dawn adopted the names of their grades from, but not their substance. There was no Ipsissimus grade in either the SRIA or the Order of the Golden and Rosy Cross, and neither of these two orders were &quot;magical&quot; orders anyway, so your entire risible argument crumbles right there. The three inner order grades of the Golden Dawn only ever existed in theory, since the inner order itself was purely imaginary. So, Crowley&#039;s creation of the 9=2 and 10=1 grades did not come from the Golden Dawn, since they never existed in that order, and while the Golden Dawn may have adopted the names of its grades from the SRIA, the substance of those grades did not come from either the SRIA or the Order of the Golden and Rosy Cross, since those two orders were not &quot;magical&quot; orders and the work that they did wasn&#039;t even remotely connected with that of the Golden Dawn. So no, it&#039;s not &quot;clear that [Crowley] based his interpretation on what he knew about them,&quot; and you&#039;re just hilariously failing in your attempts to make anyone believe that you know anything. Again.

Of course, you&#039;d know all this if it ever for once in your life occurred to you to actually find out something about your subject instead of copying and pasting the first reference from google that you find and believing that somehow, miraculously, the constant streams of your utter bullshit which I&#039;ve repeatedly called you on in the past are mysteriously going to fool me this time.

What an absolute waste of good oxygen you are. Stop wasting my time with your infantile antics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Crowley&#8217;s understanding of the 9=2 was drawn from his study of the life and works of Simon Magus</i></p>
<p>Your propensity for making up random shit and attempting to pass it off as fact is astounding. Where is this &#8220;study of the life and works of Simon Magus&#8221; of Crowley&#8217;s that you refer to? What is your source for this outlandish assertion? Where did Crowley discuss this study, and his conclusions from it? </p>
<p>You are just unbelievably full of shit. As usual.</p>
<p><i>the (prototypical Magus) and adapted to his own purposes and &#8216;word&#8217;.</i></p>
<p>The &#8220;prototypical Magus&#8221;? So &#8220;prototypical&#8221; that he never once appears in any of the lists of historic Magi that Crowley gave? That kind of &#8220;prototypical&#8221;, you mean?</p>
<p><i>The 9=2 and 10=1 grades themselves were extant in the German Rosicrucian organization founded in the 1750s by Hermann Fichtuld, from where the Golden Dawn ultimately derived their grade structure.</i></p>
<p>Wrong again, Chuckles. Magus was and still is the highest grade in the SRIA which is where the Golden Dawn adopted the names of their grades from, but not their substance. There was no Ipsissimus grade in either the SRIA or the Order of the Golden and Rosy Cross, and neither of these two orders were &#8220;magical&#8221; orders anyway, so your entire risible argument crumbles right there. The three inner order grades of the Golden Dawn only ever existed in theory, since the inner order itself was purely imaginary. So, Crowley&#8217;s creation of the 9=2 and 10=1 grades did not come from the Golden Dawn, since they never existed in that order, and while the Golden Dawn may have adopted the names of its grades from the SRIA, the substance of those grades did not come from either the SRIA or the Order of the Golden and Rosy Cross, since those two orders were not &#8220;magical&#8221; orders and the work that they did wasn&#8217;t even remotely connected with that of the Golden Dawn. So no, it&#8217;s not &#8220;clear that [Crowley] based his interpretation on what he knew about them,&#8221; and you&#8217;re just hilariously failing in your attempts to make anyone believe that you know anything. Again.</p>
<p>Of course, you&#8217;d know all this if it ever for once in your life occurred to you to actually find out something about your subject instead of copying and pasting the first reference from google that you find and believing that somehow, miraculously, the constant streams of your utter bullshit which I&#8217;ve repeatedly called you on in the past are mysteriously going to fool me this time.</p>
<p>What an absolute waste of good oxygen you are. Stop wasting my time with your infantile antics.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On the annihilation of the ego by Alrah</title>
		<link>http://www.erwinhessle.com/blog/?p=84&#038;cpage=1#comment-4236</link>
		<dc:creator>Alrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 08:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crowley&#039;s understanding of the 9=2 was drawn from his study of the life and works of Simon Magus - the (prototypical Magus) and adapted to his own purposes and &#039;word&#039;.    

The 9=2 and 10=1 grades themselves were extant in the German Rosicrucian organization founded in the 1750s by Hermann Fichtuld, from where the Golden Dawn ultimately derived their grade structure.  The terms clearly had meaning in orders before Crowley and it&#039;s also clear that he based his interpretation on what he knew about them.

If Crowley was the only fella to have researched these things, then you&#039;d be correct.  But he isn&#039;t, and so you&#039;re not.  Whether every commentator (including Crowley) has been &#039;making shit up&#039; out of allegories and old mouldy books and myths is another question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crowley&#8217;s understanding of the 9=2 was drawn from his study of the life and works of Simon Magus &#8211; the (prototypical Magus) and adapted to his own purposes and &#8216;word&#8217;.    </p>
<p>The 9=2 and 10=1 grades themselves were extant in the German Rosicrucian organization founded in the 1750s by Hermann Fichtuld, from where the Golden Dawn ultimately derived their grade structure.  The terms clearly had meaning in orders before Crowley and it&#8217;s also clear that he based his interpretation on what he knew about them.</p>
<p>If Crowley was the only fella to have researched these things, then you&#8217;d be correct.  But he isn&#8217;t, and so you&#8217;re not.  Whether every commentator (including Crowley) has been &#8216;making shit up&#8217; out of allegories and old mouldy books and myths is another question.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On the annihilation of the ego by Erwin</title>
		<link>http://www.erwinhessle.com/blog/?p=84&#038;cpage=1#comment-4226</link>
		<dc:creator>Erwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 21:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;These are Crowleys stories...that he built around his &#039;word&#039;.&lt;/i&gt;

The only meanings of those two grades which ever figure in any discussions anyone ever has on these subjects are those same meanings that Crowley invented out of thin air, so his stories are the only relevant ones, here. These terms have no meanings whatsoever independent of the ones that Crowley gave them, so you&#039;re either using them in the sense that Crowley did, or you&#039;re just making shit up as you go along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>These are Crowleys stories&#8230;that he built around his &#8216;word&#8217;.</i></p>
<p>The only meanings of those two grades which ever figure in any discussions anyone ever has on these subjects are those same meanings that Crowley invented out of thin air, so his stories are the only relevant ones, here. These terms have no meanings whatsoever independent of the ones that Crowley gave them, so you&#8217;re either using them in the sense that Crowley did, or you&#8217;re just making shit up as you go along.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On the annihilation of the ego by Alrah</title>
		<link>http://www.erwinhessle.com/blog/?p=84&#038;cpage=1#comment-4224</link>
		<dc:creator>Alrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 19:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;9=2 is when you start feeling the need to go out and tell everyone about that attainment and to set yourself up as some kind of world teacher. 10=1 is when you start telling yourself you don’t care that nobody’s listening, because you’re too spiritual for all that anyway. They’re stories you tell yourself about how neat you are, nothing more.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

These are Crowleys stories... that he built around his &#039;word&#039;.  They&#039;re not 9=2 or 10=1 in any intrinsic manner for anyone else but him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;9=2 is when you start feeling the need to go out and tell everyone about that attainment and to set yourself up as some kind of world teacher. 10=1 is when you start telling yourself you don’t care that nobody’s listening, because you’re too spiritual for all that anyway. They’re stories you tell yourself about how neat you are, nothing more.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>These are Crowleys stories&#8230; that he built around his &#8216;word&#8217;.  They&#8217;re not 9=2 or 10=1 in any intrinsic manner for anyone else but him.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On the annihilation of the ego by Erwin</title>
		<link>http://www.erwinhessle.com/blog/?p=84&#038;cpage=1#comment-4191</link>
		<dc:creator>Erwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 02:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I was hoping to return to the 9=2 or 10=1 grades. You dismiss them above&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m going to dismiss them again, too. They&#039;re fairy tales. In a nutshell, 8=3 is a real attainment. 9=2 is when you start feeling the need to go out and tell everyone about that attainment and to set yourself up as some kind of world teacher. 10=1 is when you start telling yourself you don&#039;t care that nobody&#039;s listening, because you&#039;re too spiritual for all that anyway. They&#039;re stories you tell yourself about how neat you are, nothing more.

&lt;i&gt;I was wondering if you had considered the inner order from the perspective of the 8=3 being a single transformative flash of insight, with the 9=2 being the period where that insight begins to intrude more and more often in waking consciousness, and the 10=1 stage being a permanent adaptation?&lt;/i&gt;

No, because 8=3 &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; a &quot;permanent adaptation&quot;. Once that particular bubble gets pricked, it doesn&#039;t come back. Once you find out Santa Claus doesn&#039;t exist, you don&#039;t fall back into believing in him every now and again, and it&#039;s the same thing here.

The problem is that people don&#039;t really get what the realization is, and take this idea of &quot;permanent adaptation&quot; to signify some kind of impossibly lofty spiritual gianthood, when it really isn&#039;t. The attainment is, in its essence, nothing but being compelled to look at some incontrovertible evidence that the tooth fairy doesn&#039;t exist, and once you&#039;ve seen that evidence, you don&#039;t need to see it twice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I was hoping to return to the 9=2 or 10=1 grades. You dismiss them above</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to dismiss them again, too. They&#8217;re fairy tales. In a nutshell, 8=3 is a real attainment. 9=2 is when you start feeling the need to go out and tell everyone about that attainment and to set yourself up as some kind of world teacher. 10=1 is when you start telling yourself you don&#8217;t care that nobody&#8217;s listening, because you&#8217;re too spiritual for all that anyway. They&#8217;re stories you tell yourself about how neat you are, nothing more.</p>
<p><i>I was wondering if you had considered the inner order from the perspective of the 8=3 being a single transformative flash of insight, with the 9=2 being the period where that insight begins to intrude more and more often in waking consciousness, and the 10=1 stage being a permanent adaptation?</i></p>
<p>No, because 8=3 <i>is</i> a &#8220;permanent adaptation&#8221;. Once that particular bubble gets pricked, it doesn&#8217;t come back. Once you find out Santa Claus doesn&#8217;t exist, you don&#8217;t fall back into believing in him every now and again, and it&#8217;s the same thing here.</p>
<p>The problem is that people don&#8217;t really get what the realization is, and take this idea of &#8220;permanent adaptation&#8221; to signify some kind of impossibly lofty spiritual gianthood, when it really isn&#8217;t. The attainment is, in its essence, nothing but being compelled to look at some incontrovertible evidence that the tooth fairy doesn&#8217;t exist, and once you&#8217;ve seen that evidence, you don&#8217;t need to see it twice.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who is Erwin Hessle? by Adam Kadmon</title>
		<link>http://www.erwinhessle.com/blog/?p=53&#038;cpage=1#comment-4190</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Kadmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 02:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a meaningless distinction. Since the 8=3 has disidentified with the very thought of an individual &quot;I&quot;, the ability of someone without that realization to understand the actions of a MoT are severely limited. Understanding in this context is actually referring to the ability to predict the actions of a MoT successfully, or in retrospect to divine the probable decisions leading to those actions. However, while still caught in a conceptual framework that enshrines the concept of personal self, most individuals, even occultists, simply do not possess the necessary underlying understanding to do so.

If Irwin happens to be an 8=3, it is for him to know. Other 8=3 adepts (or equivalents) may not understand Erwin&#039;s actions either, but will instead simply decline to analyze his actions until they catch up with him.  Adepts can understand whether the one they are speaking to shares the amazingly simple yet never understood fact that the self is just a movement of mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a meaningless distinction. Since the 8=3 has disidentified with the very thought of an individual &#8220;I&#8221;, the ability of someone without that realization to understand the actions of a MoT are severely limited. Understanding in this context is actually referring to the ability to predict the actions of a MoT successfully, or in retrospect to divine the probable decisions leading to those actions. However, while still caught in a conceptual framework that enshrines the concept of personal self, most individuals, even occultists, simply do not possess the necessary underlying understanding to do so.</p>
<p>If Irwin happens to be an 8=3, it is for him to know. Other 8=3 adepts (or equivalents) may not understand Erwin&#8217;s actions either, but will instead simply decline to analyze his actions until they catch up with him.  Adepts can understand whether the one they are speaking to shares the amazingly simple yet never understood fact that the self is just a movement of mind.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On the annihilation of the ego by Adam Kadmon</title>
		<link>http://www.erwinhessle.com/blog/?p=84&#038;cpage=1#comment-4189</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Kadmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 02:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to thank you for clarifying this point, which we discussed briefly via email today. I have been contacting various individuals within a variety of occult forums, and your response appears to be the most concise and revealing. Yours is the only response which boils down to &quot;the 8=3 is the realization that the idea of a personal self is understood to be a thought, and nothing more.&quot;. Everything else is consequence. 

While not directly addressed in your posting above but indirectly referred to, I was hoping to return to the 9=2 or 10=1 grades. You dismiss them above, but I was wondering if you had considered the inner order from the perspective of the 8=3 being a single transformative flash of insight, with the 9=2 being the period where that insight begins to intrude more and more often in waking consciousness, and the 10=1 stage being a permanent adaptation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to thank you for clarifying this point, which we discussed briefly via email today. I have been contacting various individuals within a variety of occult forums, and your response appears to be the most concise and revealing. Yours is the only response which boils down to &#8220;the 8=3 is the realization that the idea of a personal self is understood to be a thought, and nothing more.&#8221;. Everything else is consequence. </p>
<p>While not directly addressed in your posting above but indirectly referred to, I was hoping to return to the 9=2 or 10=1 grades. You dismiss them above, but I was wondering if you had considered the inner order from the perspective of the 8=3 being a single transformative flash of insight, with the 9=2 being the period where that insight begins to intrude more and more often in waking consciousness, and the 10=1 stage being a permanent adaptation?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Infants, toys, prams (or Don&#8217;t do it, kids: Part two) by Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.erwinhessle.com/blog/?p=508&#038;cpage=1#comment-4046</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 03:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note: the paragraph beginning &quot;On the fifth day&quot;
and ending &quot;(Genesis 1:20-25)&quot; was originally preceded by a disclaimer 

&quot;pause for comic interlude&quot;

and followed by a disclaimer

&quot; end of comic interlude&quot;

The disclaimers disappeared on posting.
I fear I have pissed off YHVH.

Oh well, you can&#039;t please everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note: the paragraph beginning &#8220;On the fifth day&#8221;<br />
and ending &#8220;(Genesis 1:20-25)&#8221; was originally preceded by a disclaimer </p>
<p>&#8220;pause for comic interlude&#8221;</p>
<p>and followed by a disclaimer</p>
<p>&#8221; end of comic interlude&#8221;</p>
<p>The disclaimers disappeared on posting.<br />
I fear I have pissed off YHVH.</p>
<p>Oh well, you can&#8217;t please everyone.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Infants, toys, prams (or Don&#8217;t do it, kids: Part two) by Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 03:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In Genesis, God fills the earth with plants on the third day, before creating the sun on the fourth day. So photosynthesis appears before there is a sun in the sky.&quot;

The verse where YHVH creates the Metal Halide HID lamp is clearly missing. 
You missed the point about life preceding photosynthesis, also, which it almost certainly did.

The Sun is not a species. Nor are stars.

This leaves the &quot;creatures of the air.&quot;



&quot;On the fifth day of creation God created great sea monsters and flying creatures. This would have included the great swimming and flying reptiles (like the plesiosaur and pterosaur). On the sixth day God created the land animals, which would have included all of the dinosaur kinds (Genesis 1:20-25).



Birds are in the wrong spot, admittedly, being descended from the Hadrosaur. 
However, were you an ignorant nomad wandering around a fairly inhospitable area, and were to chance upon some advanced knowledge, I suggest you might interpret it in a similar manner.

Of the many creation-based religions, most have the deity creating humans right away,(after creating themselves) which tends to highlight the importance of the tribe.

I think many religions can (and eventually will) be traced to contact with cultures in possession of a higher level of knowledge. The fact that such a culture has yet to be identified is not a particular problem: the number of facts that have raised their ugly heads to destroy beautiful and beloved theories is legion, and shows no sign of slowing down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In Genesis, God fills the earth with plants on the third day, before creating the sun on the fourth day. So photosynthesis appears before there is a sun in the sky.&#8221;</p>
<p>The verse where YHVH creates the Metal Halide HID lamp is clearly missing.<br />
You missed the point about life preceding photosynthesis, also, which it almost certainly did.</p>
<p>The Sun is not a species. Nor are stars.</p>
<p>This leaves the &#8220;creatures of the air.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;On the fifth day of creation God created great sea monsters and flying creatures. This would have included the great swimming and flying reptiles (like the plesiosaur and pterosaur). On the sixth day God created the land animals, which would have included all of the dinosaur kinds (Genesis 1:20-25).</p>
<p>Birds are in the wrong spot, admittedly, being descended from the Hadrosaur.<br />
However, were you an ignorant nomad wandering around a fairly inhospitable area, and were to chance upon some advanced knowledge, I suggest you might interpret it in a similar manner.</p>
<p>Of the many creation-based religions, most have the deity creating humans right away,(after creating themselves) which tends to highlight the importance of the tribe.</p>
<p>I think many religions can (and eventually will) be traced to contact with cultures in possession of a higher level of knowledge. The fact that such a culture has yet to be identified is not a particular problem: the number of facts that have raised their ugly heads to destroy beautiful and beloved theories is legion, and shows no sign of slowing down.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Infants, toys, prams (or Don&#8217;t do it, kids: Part two) by HG</title>
		<link>http://www.erwinhessle.com/blog/?p=508&#038;cpage=1#comment-4037</link>
		<dc:creator>HG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Actually, about the only timing issue Genesis does get right is the appearance of humans as the final act of creation, since we are a very recent development.&lt;/i&gt;


Oops, I was wrong.  I forgot to read the &lt;i&gt;second&lt;/i&gt; chapter of Genesis.

In the second chapter, God has created both plants and a man to cultivate them, before he gets around to creating all the other animals.  So in the second creation story in the Genesis, even the appearance of humans is in an utterly wrong place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Actually, about the only timing issue Genesis does get right is the appearance of humans as the final act of creation, since we are a very recent development.</i></p>
<p>Oops, I was wrong.  I forgot to read the <i>second</i> chapter of Genesis.</p>
<p>In the second chapter, God has created both plants and a man to cultivate them, before he gets around to creating all the other animals.  So in the second creation story in the Genesis, even the appearance of humans is in an utterly wrong place.</p>
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